Sunday, October 09, 2005

Pentagon reaching in to Tucson schools

TUCSON -- The local Sunday paper today reported more high school kids than ever are signing up for military programs in their schools. Good reporting by C.A. Alaimo, but the Star's headline may be off.

I'm not so sure these kids 'trust' the military, but they do need jobs and money for college, and the military pumps up these programs and aims them at students. There also is some truth that the current generation of high schoolers leans more conservative, and they are easily influenced and swayed -- especially by guns and trucks.

Many kids see no good economic opportunities around them in Tucson. They know at least the military provides pay and benefits, even if you have to kill or be killed.

The real question may be why is the military allowed in to our schools? If students want to seek them out, they should, but I'm not sure military programs and recruiting should be prominent in our schools.


Anonymous said...

The military is not forcing these kids to join, they are VOLUNTEERING. Recruiters from all walks have been a sight on campuses for as far back as I can remember. If you are going to ban military recruiters, then you are going to have to ban college recruiters, corporate recruiters, get rid of career day and close your campus to any thoughts or ideas from the outside world. Banning the military recruiters is a knee jerk reaction that will have very sad consequences.

Jeneiene Schaffer said...

I strongly disagree. What is not mentioned in this blog entry is the very NEW practice of the Bush administration via the No Child Left Behind Act--that is, the military can have access to every child's personal information without the child's or parents' consent or knowledge. This is clearly both unprecendented and runs counter to our right to privacy laws.

The difference with military recruiters, as opposed to college and corporate ones, is that they are asking very young people to fight and die.

The real sad consequence is that Bush needed to resort to this kind of underhanded approach because his failed invasion of Iraq has led to fewer recruits.

Parents whose children have been harrassed by the military can go to to learn how to 'opt out' of thieir childrens' info being available. Current legislation is being considered by US lawmakers to make this intrusion of privacy stopped.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Jeneiene. Also I have to add, that in spite of the belief that these kids "volunteer" to fight possibly to die, no other recruiters work with such dedication and zeal that they follow kids home from school to get their id papers. Why are they trying so hard?

Anonymous said...

You both are SO wrong.

When I was in high school in the 80's the recruiters had the same information at hand and used the same zeal for going after new recruits. You can not isolate and use this as another excuse to blame Bush. Recruiters have used these methods from the days of Kennedy up and to present days.

Take your I hate Bush party hat off for a minute and be objective.

Anonymous said...

In the 80s we weren't invading sovereign nations, however.

Jeneiene Schaffer said...

I too was in high school in the 1980s. The only military presence I recall was the JROTC. There was never any military recruiting on campus.

What is different today is that the military can get info *without* your knowledge or consent. This has *never* happened before.

This is not about hating Bush. It's about hating further erosions of our privacy laws. It would be just as bad under a democrat.

Anonymous said...

"What is different today is that the military can get info *without* your knowledge or consent. This has *never* happened before"

Completely disagree with you jen...The recruiters got my name, phone number and address from the school, they also got my friends names etc. So it *has* happened before and has been the status quo for years.

Did you ever participate in a career day at the school? Was the military not present then? Did the military ever sponsor an asvab test at your school? If not, then yours was the exception and not the rule.

Referring to "anonymous":

"In the 80s we weren't invading sovereign nations, however. "

Umm...remember Grenada? Remember Iran? Remember Libya?

Tell you what, rather than fill this blog with a discussion, why not take it to a public forum? How about post in the world at large and lets have this discourse...the both of you ;)

Jeneiene Schaffer said...

I guarantee you that your social security number was never collected by the military. Check out today's AZ Daily Star editorial blasting the military's presence at high can view it online.